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could you could you briefly summarize

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what's your research all about I'm doing

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research on two main things at the

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moment one is telepathy through social

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media through mobile phones and I'm

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developing a range of automated

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telepathy tests so that people can do

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these anywhere using modern media the

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other researchers on morphic resonance

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and I have some experiments in the

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planning stages at the moment in

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psychology cell biology and chemistry so

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what could you summarize your latest

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research results the most recent

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research I've done on telepathy is on

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telepathy in connection with telephone

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calls many people have the experience of

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thinking of someone who then rings they

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say it's funny I was just thinking about

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you is it just coincidence or is there

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more to it than that

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I've now done many experiments on this

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subject and we found that people are

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guessing who's calling them way above

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the level of chance coincidence there

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really seems to be a telepathic

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connection when someone forms the

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intention to call another person on the

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phone

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the person they're going to call often

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feels that intention even before the

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telephone call comes so I think this is

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an example of telepathy in everyday life

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antibiotic telepathy itself is basically

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just an aspect of your more general

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hypothesis right telepathy is something

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that happens between bonded members of

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social groups and it fits with my idea

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of morphic fields and morphic resonance

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which is why I got interested in

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telepathy in the first place in the

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theories I'm putting forward to let it

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it seems natural normal way that the

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world works not paranormal not

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supernatural and indeed it does seem to

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be normal and very common what would be

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the benefit for society as a whole if

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they would you know know about your

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research and the results you've gained

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my research all points towards a mode

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more holistic view of nature members of

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social groups are interconnected where

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link to our each other and to our

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environment the whole universe is

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holistic rather than mechanistic we are

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connected with the natural world we're

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part of it

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so the the general message of all this

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research is about interconnection and a

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more holistic approach and I think this

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is what something we need because we

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live in a very separated mechanistic

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kind of world which professional groups

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do you think would benefit most from

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your research my research is relevant to

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medicine because it points towards a

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more holistic understanding of the body

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and of healing to psychology because it

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points to a wider understanding of the

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mind for ecology and our relationships

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with the natural world and for biology

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and chemistry because I think both of

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them are evolutionary sciences and

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physics even which because I think the

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whole cosmos is evolutionary and I think

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there's a basic memory in nature which

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affects physics chemistry and biology so

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they're very far-reaching implications

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so you just said cosmos what how do you

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understand cosmos what's cosmos for you

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well cosmos is the totality of all it is

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it's the it's the universe and the Greek

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word cosmos means order and the universe

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reveals all sorts of order regularities

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patterns which I think of as habits and

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is that it's like an evolving organism

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as people thought in the 19th century

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it's a developing evolving creative

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organism why would I tend to believe

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that it's not a machine I mean there are

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planets surrounding the stars you know

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it's all in an orderly fashion as you

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said it works like in a clockwork

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doesn't it now the universe doesn't

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really work like clockwork first of all

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in Newtonian physics people thought that

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but even in Newtonian physics no one has

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been able to solve the three-body

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problem which is it Newtonian physics

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works well if you have two things

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complex and actually even the solar

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sense of chaotic dynamics it's not

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predictable in the long term so the old

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illusion so I think the the solar system

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itself is evolving the whole universe

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has evolved at the universe of the clock

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creates the machinery but the universe

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was not created in one as one working

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machine the universe has developed from

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the universe has grown and developed

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it's much more like a developing

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organism than like a machine and yet

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there seems to be a blueprint behind it

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some some order superior principle that

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seems to form matter and all and that's

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what your hypothesis is all about the

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more for genetic fields right

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I don't think more for genetic fields

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are pre-existing blueprints before the

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universe I'm not a platanus place

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eternal archetype for everything that

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evolutionary and I think that the order

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the patterns in nature are habits I

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don't think they've all been there in

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blueprint I think they're habits that

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evolution so what is a more for genetic

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field what does it contain a morphogen

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region of influence fields of every kind

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processes and I think morphic fields

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materials and so I think the more for

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flocks of birds now if if I were a

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geneticist I could imagine I would I

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the genes that that everything that

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contain everything but actually I think

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genes actually do we know what they do

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proteins they can they're chemically

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identical and yet they have different

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that genes are a form of chemical

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morphic fields the proteins have morphic

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the role that most geneticists assume

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of heredity into the genes whereas the

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genes are any part of heredity it's like

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German economy by understanding the way

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memories the the form of an organism

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previous mice and human minds are shaped

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unconscious which he thought of as a

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kind of collective memory so our bodies

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freedom as well and of course this

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habit and creativity you came up with a

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very interesting term which is the

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morphic resonance what is morphic

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resonance morphic resonance is the idea

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that similar patterns of activity

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resonate across space and time on the

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basis of similarity that there's a code

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but they work from the past to the

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present so there's it's not symmetrical

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from the future to the present it's a

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memory it's not an anticipation so what

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I'm saying really is that the

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regularities of nature depend on this

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memory and they're based on habits the

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conventional view in science is that

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nature is governed by the laws of nature

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which are

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usually assumed to be beyond space and

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time like platonic mathematical

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principles they exist independently of

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space and time outside space and time so

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does as it were a kind of cosmic mind at

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least implicitly containing these laws

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instead of a timeless laws that are

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outside space and time I think their

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habits inside space and time that evolve

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along with the cosmos so that's in a

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general sense what I'm saying and

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morphic resonance is my hypothesis of

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how the habits of nature work so the

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hypothesis is that let's say as a

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certain species learn something and then

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another species that is similar to that

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species can learn it too and quicker

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well it is mainly within a species so

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the hypothesis says that if a rat learns

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a new trick and if hundreds of rats

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learn a new trick for example in Berlin

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then rats of that same kind or the same

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breed all around the world will learn

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the same trick quicker is that true yes

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those are evidence from experiments with

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rats that this actually happens and the

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same prediction to apply to people if

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lots of people learn a new skill like

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surfing or snowboarding or something

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like that then it should get easier for

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other people to learn now the human

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skills do seem to get easier to learn

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the could have caused be other

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explanations as well as morphic

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resonance so to get good evidence for it

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you have to look at skills where the

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tests have remained the same over many

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years one example of intelligence tests

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which had been done in a very similar

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way for 70 or 80 years and all over the

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world average scores on intelligence

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tests have gone up by about 30% because

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I think this could be a morphic

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resonance effect there's no evidence

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that people are actually getting more

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intelligent they're just getting better

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at doing intelligence tests and I think

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that's because so many people have

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already done the same

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could you please elaborate on the

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experience with the rats and laboratory

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that's really interesting the rat

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experiments were done not to test this

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theory they were done to test a

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different theory in the 1920s they

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started in the 1920s there was a big

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dispute about the nature of inheritance

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did organisms inherit only genes or

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could they also inherit the experience

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of their ancestors the genetic theory

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said it's only genes and genes can only

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change by random mutation the other

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theory the Lamarckian theory said that

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organisms can actually inherit

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experience of the ancestors so the

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experiment was set up with rats learning

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to escape from the water maze and

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subsequent generations of rats whose

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parents had been trained to escape from

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the mayor's land it quicker and quicker

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after 20 generations they were learning

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10 times faster it was a very big effect

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and so at first people thought this

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showed that there was Lamarckian

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inheritance which nowadays would be

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called epigenetic inheritance the

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inheritance of experience this work was

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then repeated in Edinburgh and in

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Australia at Melbourne and the rats

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there learned very quickly to start with

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they started more or less where the

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Harvard rats left off but the most

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interesting data were from Melbourne

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because they found that the rats went on

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learning quicker and quicker but this

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increased rate of learning was not only

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in the rats whose parents had been

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trained but in all the rats of that

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breed even if there none of their

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parents had been trained

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they were all getting better now if it

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was only in the ones whose parents had

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been trained it could be through a

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llamar Keon or an epigenetic effect a

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modification of the genes or a

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modification of gene expression which is

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what epigenetics is about

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but the fact that it occurred in all the

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routes of that breed can't be explained

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in terms of jeans or epigenetics and

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that's the kind of effect that morphic

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resonance would predict so would that

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also work among let's say different

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breeds or work ways that that it only

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works within one well it depends on

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similarity morphic resonance is based on

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similarities so the most effect will be

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between organisms that are most similar

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that would be rats of the same breed now

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it might work with rats of different

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breeds but not as well and the same

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principle applies to humans morphic

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resonance should work should work most

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between people are most similar and the

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people are most similar are identical

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twins and there's a lot of research that

410
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shows that identical twins even if

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they're separated soon after birth have

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extraordinary similarities in their

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lives

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usually this is interpreted to mean it's

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all genetically programmed but many of

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these similarities are so extreme that

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even geneticists don't think they can be

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genetically programmed for example some

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separated twins call their children by

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the same names now no one would expect

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the names of children to be genetically

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programmed

423
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but morphic resonance would explain

424
00:19:02,929 --> 00:19:07,610
these data very well and I think the

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identical twin studies are not in fact

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evidence for strong genetic determinism

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I think that they provide very good

428
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evidence for morphic resonance hmm are

429
00:19:16,819 --> 00:19:22,668
there any any other examples for a

430
00:19:18,829 --> 00:19:24,500
morphic resonance evidential oh there

431
00:19:22,669 --> 00:19:27,520
are many examples so morphic resonance

432
00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:30,579
applies in developmental biology

433
00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:33,829
organisms that develop in an unusual way

434
00:19:30,579 --> 00:19:36,759
because of a changed environment should

435
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develop more easily in the same way if

436
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the same treatment is repeated there's

437
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already evidence from experiments with

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fruit flies that this is the case and in

439
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chemistry

440
00:19:46,599 --> 00:19:51,058
morphic resonance predicts that if you

441
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crystallize a new compound

442
00:19:51,058 --> 00:19:55,829
the more often you crystallize it the

443
00:19:53,159 --> 00:19:57,870
easier it will be to crystallize because

444
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a habit builds up and this is a

445
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well-known fact chemists that new

446
00:19:59,849 --> 00:20:05,099
compounds generally get easier to

447
00:20:01,558 --> 00:20:08,190
crystallize the theory also predicts in

448
00:20:05,099 --> 00:20:10,138
chemistry that new compounds should form

449
00:20:08,190 --> 00:20:12,600
more stable crystals as the habit

450
00:20:10,138 --> 00:20:16,048
becomes established so the melting point

451
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should go up if the habit of forming and

452
00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:20,908
maintaining the crystal form is stronger

453
00:20:18,450 --> 00:20:22,499
it'll be harder to break it down which

454
00:20:20,909 --> 00:20:24,480
means you'll need a higher temperature

455
00:20:22,499 --> 00:20:28,470
to destroy it that's the melting point

456
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:31,110
so and surprisingly there's already

457
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evidence for increasing melting points

458
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in new compounds that have been made by

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people in the last hundred years the

460
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,298
melting points are going up in some

461
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cases by ten or twenty degrees Celsius

462
00:20:41,298 --> 00:20:49,220
so this is a very surprising prediction

463
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:52,138
of the theory and shocking in some ways

464
00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:54,240
but it does seem to be happening I

465
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recently got some data from the

466
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laboratory in America where with a quite

467
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new compound that wasn't made until a

468
00:20:59,128 --> 00:21:03,689
few years ago the melting points already

469
00:21:00,929 --> 00:21:05,129
gone up by about seven degrees and these

470
00:21:03,690 --> 00:21:06,929
chemists are very puzzled by this

471
00:21:05,128 --> 00:21:08,519
phenomenon and they've now got

472
00:21:06,929 --> 00:21:09,629
interested in morphic resonance because

473
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they can't think of any other

474
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explanation hmm and sometimes when I

475
00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:19,889
discussed this with chemists they put

476
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forward a reasonable normal explanation

477
00:21:19,888 --> 00:21:26,219
for this which is that impurities lower

478
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the melting point as time goes on it may

479
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be that the chemists get better at

480
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making the compound so they have para

481
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samples that may explain some of this

482
00:21:32,669 --> 00:21:36,690
effect but the data I've just got from

483
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America they're pretty sure that's not

484
00:21:36,690 --> 00:21:43,558
the case and of course this requires

485
00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:45,778
specially designed experiments before

486
00:21:43,558 --> 00:21:47,788
one can be sure but the evidence so far

487
00:21:45,778 --> 00:21:49,499
does suggest something like morphic

488
00:21:47,788 --> 00:21:52,408
resonance may be going on even in

489
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chemistry so them so that would be a

490
00:21:52,409 --> 00:21:57,509
morphic resonance that is actually based

491
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on the on the fact that the experiments

492
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have been repeated over and over again

493
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yes the resonance is based on the fact

494
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that people who made these chemicals

495
00:22:04,569 --> 00:22:09,398
over and over again and crystallized

496
00:22:06,069 --> 00:22:10,990
them over and over again so the theory

497
00:22:09,398 --> 00:22:13,089
says the more they make them the more

498
00:22:10,990 --> 00:22:14,200
they're crystallized the more effect

499
00:22:13,089 --> 00:22:17,589
there should be from morphic resonance

500
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:21,308
now there are also some other surprising

501
00:22:17,589 --> 00:22:24,668
astounding facts concerning pets and

502
00:22:21,308 --> 00:22:28,000
their owners well I've been doing

503
00:22:24,669 --> 00:22:30,778
research on the morphic fields that

504
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:34,089
connect members of social groups

505
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according to this theory members of

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social groups for example members of

507
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families or flocks of birds or packs of

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wolves or schools of fish form bonds

509
00:22:44,829 --> 00:22:49,449
with each other and if they interact

510
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frequently they have a kind of resonant

511
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connection even when they're separated

512
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and I think that this is what underlies

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telepathy that which i think is a normal

514
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means of communication between members

515
00:23:00,369 --> 00:23:07,508
of animal groups that's why I got

516
00:23:05,169 --> 00:23:10,600
interested in research in telepathy

517
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I'm not primarily a parapsychologist and

518
00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:16,869
I my interests are not primarily in the

519
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:20,679
our cult or mysterious phenomena I'm a

520
00:23:16,869 --> 00:23:22,538
biologist but when I got interested in

521
00:23:20,679 --> 00:23:25,538
this I realized that this theory

522
00:23:22,538 --> 00:23:27,099
predicted that animals should remain in

523
00:23:25,538 --> 00:23:30,398
connection with each other even when

524
00:23:27,099 --> 00:23:32,558
they're separated so I started looking

525
00:23:30,398 --> 00:23:36,428
at the animals we know best dogs and

526
00:23:32,558 --> 00:23:39,190
cats and other domestic animals they

527
00:23:36,429 --> 00:23:41,409
form strong bonds with their owners so I

528
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:43,600
wanted to find out if pets have a

529
00:23:41,409 --> 00:23:45,909
telepathic link with their owners as

530
00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:48,398
soon as I started asking people who keep

531
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:51,309
dogs and cats and people who train dogs

532
00:23:48,398 --> 00:23:53,229
and cats I found that there are hundreds

533
00:23:51,308 --> 00:23:55,898
of stories thousands of stories about

534
00:23:53,230 --> 00:23:58,120
this I started by looking at the natural

535
00:23:55,898 --> 00:24:00,939
history I collected people's stories I

536
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,788
have more than 5,000 on my computerized

537
00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:07,419
database and these stories fall into

538
00:24:03,788 --> 00:24:10,298
quite distinct categories and of course

539
00:24:07,419 --> 00:24:12,309
skeptics would say these people are just

540
00:24:10,298 --> 00:24:15,038
making the stories up they don't really

541
00:24:12,308 --> 00:24:17,480
happen or it's all imagination but at

542
00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:18,890
the very least these stories show now

543
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,500
history of what people believe about

544
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:24,590
their pets so the next question is are

545
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:26,660
these believes true or not first I want

546
00:24:24,589 --> 00:24:30,529
to find out what the beliefs are then I

547
00:24:26,660 --> 00:24:32,509
test them and I've now tested some of

548
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:33,798
these beliefs and it turns out that they

549
00:24:32,509 --> 00:24:37,279
are true

550
00:24:33,798 --> 00:24:39,109
many people believe their dogs know when

551
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,660
they're coming home the dog goes and

552
00:24:39,109 --> 00:24:43,519
waits at a door or a window sometimes 10

553
00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:47,090
minutes or more before the person comes

554
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:49,490
home the skeptics say well that's just

555
00:24:47,089 --> 00:24:52,159
routine or it's just hearing the sound

556
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:54,429
of a car coming or some or it's just

557
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,500
people at home giving the animal clues

558
00:24:54,429 --> 00:24:59,809
so in our experiments to test that we

559
00:24:57,500 --> 00:25:01,910
have people come at random times unusual

560
00:24:59,808 --> 00:25:04,220
times they don't know in advance when

561
00:25:01,910 --> 00:25:07,009
they'll come home we pick a random time

562
00:25:04,220 --> 00:25:10,789
and we tell them by telephone went to go

563
00:25:07,009 --> 00:25:12,769
mobile phone went to go home to avoid

564
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:14,690
familiar car sounds they come in

565
00:25:12,769 --> 00:25:18,740
unfamiliar vehicles or traveled by

566
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:20,509
public transport or taxis and to avoid

567
00:25:18,740 --> 00:25:22,880
people at home giving the animal any

568
00:25:20,509 --> 00:25:24,890
clues we either do the experiments when

569
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,720
there is no one at home or when the

570
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:30,080
people at home don't know when the

571
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:32,960
persons coming we film the place the dog

572
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:34,609
waits so we've got a complete record of

573
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,250
the dog's movements all the time the

574
00:25:34,609 --> 00:25:39,199
passengers away and what we find is over

575
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:41,750
and over again these dogs go and wait at

576
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,940
the door when the person is coming home

577
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:45,769
with the most sensitive dogs is when

578
00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:47,509
they form the intention to come home

579
00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:50,839
they start waiting even before they've

580
00:25:47,509 --> 00:25:53,269
got into the taxi so we have a lot of

581
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:55,629
filmed evidence for this I've published

582
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:58,069
papers on this in scientific journals

583
00:25:55,630 --> 00:26:00,470
and it seems to be a very common

584
00:25:58,069 --> 00:26:03,859
phenomenon and it happens not only with

585
00:26:00,470 --> 00:26:05,539
dogs but with cats and parents some

586
00:26:03,859 --> 00:26:09,048
horses know when their owners are coming

587
00:26:05,539 --> 00:26:13,720
to visit them with quite a wide range of

588
00:26:09,048 --> 00:26:16,220
species he said that telepathy is

589
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,730
probably the preferred method of

590
00:26:16,220 --> 00:26:21,140
communication among animals right

591
00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:23,690
telepathy literally means distant

592
00:26:21,140 --> 00:26:25,790
feeling tele distant as in television

593
00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:30,320
paths a feeling as in sympathy or

594
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:30,740
empathy and I think it's a common method

595
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,109
of commune

596
00:26:30,740 --> 00:26:35,349
among animals normal not paranormal

597
00:26:33,109 --> 00:26:40,039
natural not supernatural

598
00:26:35,349 --> 00:26:41,750
and I think it's when happens when

599
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:44,869
animals are separated from each other

600
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:47,660
for example when wolves are hunting they

601
00:26:44,869 --> 00:26:49,879
leave the young wolves in the den and

602
00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:51,860
they travel hundreds of kilometres

603
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,440
sometimes when they're hunting but I

604
00:26:51,859 --> 00:26:58,039
think they remain in connection by

605
00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:00,470
telepathy now when they're together then

606
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:03,799
they're communicating by the normal

607
00:27:00,470 --> 00:27:06,230
senses through signs sounds and so on

608
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:09,440
I think telepathy is part of that as

609
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:11,240
well but you can't separate our effects

610
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,070
of telepathy from normal sensory

611
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,500
communication when the animals are close

612
00:27:13,069 --> 00:27:17,480
together when they're far apart the

613
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:19,940
normal senses can't work and then you

614
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:23,000
can see purely telepathic communication

615
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:25,640
but I'm sure it's obviously not the only

616
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,859
kind of communication like we're talking

617
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,410
now and talking is the main form of

618
00:27:27,859 --> 00:27:34,399
communication here largely language as

619
00:27:30,410 --> 00:27:38,769
well so but telepathy may also be

620
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:41,690
playing a fairly minor part but under

621
00:27:38,769 --> 00:27:43,639
when people who are bonded to each other

622
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:47,029
or animals that are bonded to people are

623
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:49,100
separated then it's telepathy that can

624
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:51,889
work at a distance it doesn't work all

625
00:27:49,099 --> 00:27:53,928
the time but if there's a need it works

626
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:56,000
especially when someone wants to call

627
00:27:53,929 --> 00:27:58,660
another person which is why it happens

628
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:02,240
in connection with telephone calls or

629
00:27:58,660 --> 00:28:04,790
when someone has a need often mothers

630
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,710
for example know when their baby needs

631
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:10,700
them or if their child has had an

632
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:13,250
accident or people often feel when

633
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:15,650
someone they know has died or is in

634
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:18,019
serious distress so it's to do with

635
00:28:15,650 --> 00:28:20,240
calling people when there's a need

636
00:28:18,019 --> 00:28:25,639
that's his primary function among

637
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:29,210
separated animals hmm what about what

638
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:33,040
about swarm intelligence I mean if I see

639
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:36,410
a swarm of birds in in the sky they move

640
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:39,649
homogeneously like one single being yes

641
00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:40,548
or a swarm of fish yes how do they do

642
00:28:39,650 --> 00:28:42,528
that

643
00:28:40,548 --> 00:28:46,009
well I think that the behavior of flocks

644
00:28:42,528 --> 00:28:50,058
of birds and schools of fish and swarms

645
00:28:46,009 --> 00:28:51,919
of insects are examples of morphic

646
00:28:50,058 --> 00:28:53,598
fields of the social group I think the

647
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:56,450
whole group has a field that includes

648
00:28:53,598 --> 00:28:59,178
the individual members it's a little bit

649
00:28:56,450 --> 00:29:01,669
like a magnetic field around a magnet

650
00:28:59,179 --> 00:29:04,759
the magnetic field emerges from

651
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:06,440
individual magnetic domains inside the

652
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,808
magnet there are small magnets within

653
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,269
the magnets which are called magnetic

654
00:29:08,808 --> 00:29:12,858
domains if they're lined up in the same

655
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:15,259
direction the whole magnet has a

656
00:29:12,858 --> 00:29:17,358
magnetic field and that field in turn

657
00:29:15,259 --> 00:29:22,338
works back on the individual domains

658
00:29:17,358 --> 00:29:25,278
within it I think a flock of birds it is

659
00:29:22,338 --> 00:29:27,319
where where a whole field emerges from

660
00:29:25,278 --> 00:29:29,358
the individual birds they come together

661
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:31,548
create a field of the whole group and

662
00:29:29,358 --> 00:29:33,888
then they respond to the field of the

663
00:29:31,548 --> 00:29:38,479
whole group so it's like a swarm mind a

664
00:29:33,888 --> 00:29:40,308
kind of collective mind it's like a

665
00:29:38,479 --> 00:29:42,859
magnetic field when you have iron

666
00:29:40,308 --> 00:29:45,200
filings and you move the magnet all the

667
00:29:42,858 --> 00:29:47,868
filings move they're responding to the

668
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,788
field of which they're part and so I

669
00:29:47,868 --> 00:29:54,168
think the behavior of these birds or

670
00:29:49,788 --> 00:30:00,888
fish or insects is controlled by this

671
00:29:54,169 --> 00:30:03,109
overall field so this I think provides a

672
00:30:00,888 --> 00:30:04,908
much better way of understanding it than

673
00:30:03,108 --> 00:30:06,528
trying to understand it just in terms of

674
00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:09,019
individual behavior and direct

675
00:30:06,528 --> 00:30:11,808
interactions with neighbors and in fact

676
00:30:09,019 --> 00:30:16,149
the best computer models of flocks of

677
00:30:11,808 --> 00:30:22,638
birds treat them as field phenomenon and

678
00:30:16,148 --> 00:30:26,118
so what if mankind were also to be part

679
00:30:22,638 --> 00:30:30,888
of such a collective mind or collective

680
00:30:26,118 --> 00:30:34,908
intelligence I think that humans have

681
00:30:30,888 --> 00:30:36,769
morphic fields of social groups we have

682
00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:38,869
the most immediate ones of course are

683
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:42,200
the groups that we live in our families

684
00:30:38,868 --> 00:30:45,228
and then football teams have morphic

685
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,798
fields and societies and schools and

686
00:30:45,229 --> 00:30:51,440
colleges and groups within armies and

687
00:30:48,798 --> 00:30:52,999
there are many social groups all of

688
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,080
which I think have their own morphic

689
00:30:52,999 --> 00:30:57,350
fields with their end

690
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:59,960
habits and all of us exist within

691
00:30:57,349 --> 00:31:02,148
different social groups we have family

692
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:04,788
groups we have groups of friends we have

693
00:31:02,148 --> 00:31:07,009
we belong to society's associations

694
00:31:04,788 --> 00:31:11,509
institutions all of these have their own

695
00:31:07,009 --> 00:31:13,970
morphic fields one could say that

696
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:16,339
there's a larger morphic fields for you

697
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:20,419
know different cultures different

698
00:31:16,339 --> 00:31:22,788
nations and ultimately a morphic field

699
00:31:20,419 --> 00:31:24,830
for all of humanity but most of us are

700
00:31:22,788 --> 00:31:27,859
more immersed in the local fields our

701
00:31:24,829 --> 00:31:30,939
local social groups rather than in the

702
00:31:27,859 --> 00:31:35,178
rather nebulous field of all humanity

703
00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:37,298
hmm now how come that all those

704
00:31:35,179 --> 00:31:41,210
interesting facts are virtually

705
00:31:37,298 --> 00:31:43,759
non-existent in in in in the mass media

706
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:47,259
or in let's say in mainstream science

707
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:50,480
how come that they don't deal with it

708
00:31:47,259 --> 00:31:53,990
well mainstream science is strongly

709
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,778
based on the materialist worldview since

710
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:58,519
the late 19th century that's been the

711
00:31:56,778 --> 00:32:03,888
dominant paradigm or model of reality

712
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:06,740
within mainstream science and that says

713
00:32:03,888 --> 00:32:10,069
that matter is unconscious nature's made

714
00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:12,888
up of mechanical interactions between

715
00:32:10,069 --> 00:32:15,859
unconscious particles of matter atoms

716
00:32:12,888 --> 00:32:19,069
molecules and so on and the attempt is

717
00:32:15,859 --> 00:32:20,689
to explain life in terms of molecules so

718
00:32:19,069 --> 00:32:24,038
that's why there's a huge emphasis on

719
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:30,470
genetics the genome project proteomics

720
00:32:24,038 --> 00:32:32,569
proteins and so on so these are this is

721
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:35,269
the strongly reductionist tendency

722
00:32:32,569 --> 00:32:39,349
present in science which is working out

723
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:41,750
this mechanistic agenda and that's why I

724
00:32:39,349 --> 00:32:43,699
think that we need to shift the whole

725
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:45,919
paradigm within science from a

726
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:48,950
materialist worldview to a much more

727
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:52,370
holistic well view but isn't it like a

728
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:55,038
like a mechanism I mean we have laws of

729
00:32:52,369 --> 00:32:57,619
nature constants in nature which never

730
00:32:55,038 --> 00:32:59,509
change right well that's the usual

731
00:32:57,619 --> 00:33:02,058
assumption but what I'm saying is the

732
00:32:59,509 --> 00:33:03,558
laws of nature evolve in an evolving

733
00:33:02,058 --> 00:33:07,298
universe in fact they're more like

734
00:33:03,558 --> 00:33:09,408
habits and even the constants may change

735
00:33:07,298 --> 00:33:12,470
you have an example can you give an

736
00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:14,330
example well yes the if you look at the

737
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:17,860
actual measurements of constants they

738
00:33:14,329 --> 00:33:20,960
certainly do change between 1928 and

739
00:33:17,859 --> 00:33:22,638
1945 the speed of light dropped all

740
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,999
around the world by about 20 kilometres

741
00:33:22,638 --> 00:33:27,408
per second before that it was like this

742
00:33:25,999 --> 00:33:29,960
and then it dropped down like that and

743
00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:31,778
they're quite small errors in the

744
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,759
measurements and then it went up again

745
00:33:31,778 --> 00:33:37,490
this is a big change the speed of light

746
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:40,700
is now given to four places of decimals

747
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:44,960
so a drop of 20 kilometers per second is

748
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:48,319
a huge change now what's going on there

749
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,389
did the speed of light really drop well

750
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:52,759
if you talk to physicists they'll say no

751
00:33:50,388 --> 00:33:57,079
it couldn't really drop because it's a

752
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:58,548
constant so then why did all right these

753
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,168
scientists all around the world get

754
00:33:58,548 --> 00:34:03,019
these lower measurements of the speed of

755
00:34:00,169 --> 00:34:05,028
light and they said well no that was

756
00:34:03,019 --> 00:34:07,220
just a kind of fashion they they

757
00:34:05,028 --> 00:34:09,918
expected that kind of result so they

758
00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:12,199
corrected their data to get the expected

759
00:34:09,918 --> 00:34:15,348
result so basically they're saying we

760
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,779
can't trust the data so here you have a

761
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:22,280
conflict between experimental evidence

762
00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:23,899
and dogma and dogma wins many scientists

763
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,069
say it's just a matter of facts we're

764
00:34:23,898 --> 00:34:26,960
interested in facts

765
00:34:25,068 --> 00:34:28,730
well when the facts don't agree with the

766
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,318
dogma people aren't very interested in

767
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:33,260
the facts they just say oh that was an

768
00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:35,779
error we now know the correct value in

769
00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:39,679
fact the speed of light was defined by

770
00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:42,200
an International Committee in 1972 so

771
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:45,889
the present value is fixed by definition

772
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:48,230
and you would never notice if it really

773
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:49,818
changes because the metre has now been

774
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:52,668
defined in terms of the speed of light

775
00:34:49,818 --> 00:34:55,730
so the unit's will change with the speed

776
00:34:52,668 --> 00:34:57,559
of light the gravitational constant has

777
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:59,539
been varying quite a lot even in the

778
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:01,838
last few years it's varied by more than

779
00:34:59,539 --> 00:35:04,699
one percent which is quite a big error

780
00:35:01,838 --> 00:35:10,159
when people assume it should be given to

781
00:35:04,699 --> 00:35:12,230
many places of decimals and I think that

782
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,710
the measurements in different

783
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:16,630
laboratories

784
00:35:13,710 --> 00:35:18,639
which give different values may actually

785
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:20,440
be correlated I think that sometimes

786
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:22,659
they may all be higher to another time

787
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,450
they may or below there may be actual

788
00:35:22,659 --> 00:35:28,440
fluctuations in G the gravitational

789
00:35:25,449 --> 00:35:31,269
constant as its measured here on earth

790
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,829
it may not mean that it's varying

791
00:35:31,269 --> 00:35:34,780
throughout the universe it may mean that

792
00:35:32,829 --> 00:35:36,789
hence the earth moves through the solar

793
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:38,560
system and the solar system moves

794
00:35:36,789 --> 00:35:40,480
through the galaxy there may be

795
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:43,989
environmental changes that affect

796
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:47,679
measurements of G so what I'm proposing

797
00:35:43,989 --> 00:35:50,109
is that different Institute's in

798
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:53,079
different countries put their values of

799
00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:54,880
G at different dates online and then

800
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:56,739
anyone who's interested could look to

801
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,360
see if there are correlations are they

802
00:35:56,739 --> 00:36:00,309
all high at one time and lower to

803
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,590
another time or are they random errors

804
00:36:00,309 --> 00:36:04,000
but no-one's done that yet and they

805
00:36:02,590 --> 00:36:04,480
don't do it because they is not worth

806
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,900
doing

807
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:10,420
why not because G is a constant so we

808
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:12,760
won't find any variations that are that

809
00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:14,139
mean anything they're just errors you

810
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,470
see I think they may be wrong and I

811
00:36:14,139 --> 00:36:19,539
think this dogmatic thinking actually

812
00:36:16,469 --> 00:36:21,159
restricts what we can do in science this

813
00:36:19,539 --> 00:36:24,519
is one of the themes of my book the

814
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:26,529
science delusion where I argue that many

815
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:29,829
aspects of research are being held back

816
00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:34,480
by a dogmatic assumption that we already

817
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:38,619
know the answers in principle hmm so so

818
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:43,659
with all those morphic resonance effects

819
00:36:38,619 --> 00:36:47,199
and morphic field experiments that that

820
00:36:43,659 --> 00:36:49,559
to me kind of suggests that there is an

821
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:52,960
interface between consciousness and

822
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:55,150
matter or that we would have to think

823
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,240
about what consciousness is and what

824
00:36:55,150 --> 00:37:01,119
matter is after all do you have an

825
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,429
answer to that one well one of the

826
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,589
dogmas of materialistic science is that

827
00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:07,359
matter is unconscious and that the

828
00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:09,460
universe is made of unconscious matter

829
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:14,980
that's just one of the ten dogmas of

830
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:17,050
science it's simply an assumption if you

831
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:21,699
look at the history of this in the 17th

832
00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:24,340
century Rene Descartes defined matter as

833
00:37:21,699 --> 00:37:25,960
unconscious and human consciousness he

834
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:26,980
said is separate from matter it's

835
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,900
immaterial

836
00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:30,909
and the only forms of consciousness and

837
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:33,250
the universe are humans angels and God

838
00:37:30,909 --> 00:37:35,920
but everything else including the human

839
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:38,500
body is totally unconscious this is of

840
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:42,340
course the familiar philosophy of

841
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:44,108
Cartesian dualism he made a sharp

842
00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:45,850
separation between consciousness and

843
00:37:44,108 --> 00:37:49,210
matter in matters unconscious by

844
00:37:45,849 --> 00:37:51,608
definition so modern science has

845
00:37:49,210 --> 00:37:54,300
inherited this philosophy from the 17th

846
00:37:51,608 --> 00:37:56,559
century but Descartes was a duelist

847
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:59,980
materialists who've dominated science

848
00:37:56,559 --> 00:38:04,210
for the last hundred years reject the

849
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:06,880
idea that an immaterial spirit so at

850
00:38:04,210 --> 00:38:09,190
once stroke they get rid of angels and

851
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,608
God so they create a thoroughly

852
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:13,720
atheistic philosophy and but that leaves

853
00:38:12,608 --> 00:38:16,000
them with the problem of human

854
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,250
consciousness humans ought not to be

855
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,730
conscious if matters unconscious we're

856
00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:23,949
just matter if we're just machines

857
00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:26,320
lumbering robots as Richard Dawkins puts

858
00:38:23,949 --> 00:38:29,049
it then we shouldn't be conscious at all

859
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,840
and indeed in the english-speaking world

860
00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:34,269
for the last 50 years most philosophers

861
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,070
of mind have spent their efforts trying

862
00:38:34,269 --> 00:38:38,259
to prove that we're not conscious that

863
00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:42,880
consciousness is just an illusion and

864
00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:45,490
we're just machines now they're not very

865
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,019
successful because most people of course

866
00:38:45,489 --> 00:38:49,149
persist in believing that they are

867
00:38:47,019 --> 00:38:51,099
conscious because they have a conscious

868
00:38:49,150 --> 00:38:53,200
experience how dare they commit even

869
00:38:51,099 --> 00:38:55,150
even the materialists philosophers are

870
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:58,149
conscious so they have to say it's an

871
00:38:55,150 --> 00:39:00,730
illusion but that doesn't explain it of

872
00:38:58,150 --> 00:39:03,730
course because illusion is itself a form

873
00:39:00,730 --> 00:39:05,920
of consciousness they presuppose it so

874
00:39:03,730 --> 00:39:08,079
there's this futile debate been going on

875
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,340
among philosophers of mind for decades

876
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:14,340
never resolved and irresolvable which

877
00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:17,350
simply can't explain consciousness and

878
00:39:14,340 --> 00:39:19,059
in the 20th century in the

879
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:21,460
english-speaking world the dominant

880
00:39:19,059 --> 00:39:24,639
school of psychology in universities was

881
00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:25,869
behaviorism behaviorism said that the

882
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:27,549
only thing that you can study

883
00:39:25,869 --> 00:39:29,769
scientifically is measurable behavior

884
00:39:27,550 --> 00:39:31,750
that consciousness is a meaningless

885
00:39:29,769 --> 00:39:34,300
concept that should be expelled from

886
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:36,309
science science is about objective facts

887
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:38,289
consciousness is subjective and

888
00:39:36,309 --> 00:39:39,409
therefore unscientific and should be

889
00:39:38,289 --> 00:39:40,969
ruled out complete

890
00:39:39,409 --> 00:39:43,578
from any rigorous scientific

891
00:39:40,969 --> 00:39:45,679
understanding of nature consciousness is

892
00:39:43,579 --> 00:39:48,920
subjective unreliable and in fact

893
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:51,409
illusory so it's an extraordinary

894
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,858
position that they've put themselves in

895
00:39:51,409 --> 00:39:56,629
and it's a remarkable thing that

896
00:39:53,858 --> 00:39:59,869
intelligent educated people for

897
00:39:56,630 --> 00:40:01,670
generations now have taken this to be

898
00:39:59,869 --> 00:40:04,759
the truth about the world when it so

899
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:07,009
denies their own consciousness and the

900
00:40:04,759 --> 00:40:08,480
reality of their consciousness and even

901
00:40:07,009 --> 00:40:10,159
the freedom of their own decisions

902
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,730
because there's no free will from this

903
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:16,518
point of view so there's a serious

904
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:19,309
problem about consciousness within the

905
00:40:16,518 --> 00:40:21,258
materialist framework and in fact among

906
00:40:19,309 --> 00:40:23,839
philosophers of mind it's called the

907
00:40:21,259 --> 00:40:25,789
hard problem because there's no known

908
00:40:23,838 --> 00:40:28,068
solution to the existence of

909
00:40:25,789 --> 00:40:31,400
consciousness from a materialist point

910
00:40:28,068 --> 00:40:35,389
of view why would it be so important for

911
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:38,630
society to know that a stone has

912
00:40:35,389 --> 00:40:40,460
consciousness well I personally I don't

913
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:42,890
think of stone as such does have

914
00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:45,139
consciousness I think that the atoms and

915
00:40:42,889 --> 00:40:46,969
crystals within it have a kind of mental

916
00:40:45,139 --> 00:40:48,980
life but I think it's largely

917
00:40:46,969 --> 00:40:50,868
unconscious you know the mind is not

918
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:53,389
just conscious a large part of our own

919
00:40:50,869 --> 00:40:55,940
mind is unconscious everything that's to

920
00:40:53,389 --> 00:40:58,818
do with habit is unconscious really and

921
00:40:55,940 --> 00:41:01,460
I think most of nature has habits so

922
00:40:58,818 --> 00:41:04,909
habits are in a sense mental but not

923
00:41:01,460 --> 00:41:08,509
conscious 95 percent of our own mental

924
00:41:04,909 --> 00:41:10,460
activity maybe more is unconscious so we

925
00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:12,199
don't have to suppose that electrons or

926
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:17,588
atoms are more conscious than we are

927
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:22,098
they're largely habitual a stone is is

928
00:41:17,588 --> 00:41:23,630
in fact not self-organizing unity I

929
00:41:22,099 --> 00:41:27,230
think there's a kind of mental activity

930
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:30,710
or morphic field in all self-organizing

931
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:34,960
systems that means atoms molecules and

932
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:37,190
crystals but a rock is actually not

933
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,380
self-organizing in the sense that a rock

934
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:42,380
is chipped off a mountain by a glacier

935
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:45,019
or a landslide but then it changes its

936
00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:47,079
form throughout the centuries the

937
00:41:45,018 --> 00:41:49,250
changes form not through

938
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:51,440
self-organization but through if it's in

939
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:52,500
a river it gets rounded by external

940
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,470
forces

941
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:57,750
so there's a distinction between systems

942
00:41:55,469 --> 00:41:59,819
that organize themselves plants and

943
00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:03,599
animals for example or molecules and

944
00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:06,690
crystals or snowflakes and organ systems

945
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:10,200
which are composites which are shaped by

946
00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:12,570
external forces only and the shape of

947
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:14,789
mountains is shaped by glaciers and

948
00:42:12,570 --> 00:42:17,640
pushing up from under the earth and so

949
00:42:14,789 --> 00:42:19,858
on so the mountains I don't think have

950
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:21,509
the same kind of self-organizing

951
00:42:19,858 --> 00:42:24,358
properties and order rocks

952
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:27,210
nor do tables or chairs or man-made

953
00:42:24,358 --> 00:42:29,670
machines they're all formed by external

954
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:31,740
forces it's like the difference we all

955
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:33,240
learned at school in chemistry the

956
00:42:31,739 --> 00:42:37,108
difference between a mixture and a

957
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:41,129
compound a compound in chemistry like

958
00:42:37,108 --> 00:42:44,159
methane or benzene is something where

959
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:45,990
you have hydrogen and carbon joined

960
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:49,139
together in a particular pattern in a

961
00:42:45,989 --> 00:42:53,250
self-organizing form a mixture like

962
00:42:49,139 --> 00:42:55,559
mixing carbon with hydrogen gas or

963
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:59,159
something is just a mixture or a mixing

964
00:42:55,559 --> 00:43:01,469
sand with with iron or you've just got a

965
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:03,329
mixture because that's put together by

966
00:43:01,469 --> 00:43:06,209
external forces whereas a compound

967
00:43:03,329 --> 00:43:08,369
organizes itself so I think that morphic

968
00:43:06,210 --> 00:43:10,710
fields apply to compounds things that

969
00:43:08,369 --> 00:43:12,660
have a self-organizing property not two

970
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:18,030
mixtures which are aggregated by

971
00:43:12,659 --> 00:43:21,149
external forces and so if so if morphic

972
00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:27,599
fields are like the decisive factor for

973
00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:29,490
for the causation of form then there

974
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:31,410
seems to be a purpose behind it right

975
00:43:29,489 --> 00:43:35,879
but wouldn't that mean that the whole

976
00:43:31,409 --> 00:43:38,009
cosmos has a purpose well um morphic

977
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,710
fields have within them what are called

978
00:43:38,010 --> 00:43:43,430
attractors within modern dynamical

979
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:47,639
theory in mathematics and in physics

980
00:43:43,429 --> 00:43:49,049
there's a way of explaining things not

981
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:51,210
in terms of how they're pushed from

982
00:43:49,050 --> 00:43:55,250
behind but how they're pulled from in

983
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:58,920
front and the concept of an attractor is

984
00:43:55,250 --> 00:44:01,588
the concept of something which pulls a

985
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,838
system towards it the basic model the

986
00:44:01,588 --> 00:44:05,909
metaphor of an attractor is you have a

987
00:44:03,838 --> 00:44:08,549
basin like a bowl

988
00:44:05,909 --> 00:44:11,399
and you throw little balls into it and

989
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:13,710
these balls roll around it and they all

990
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,360
end up at the bottom of the bowl so the

991
00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:17,369
bottom of the bowl is an attractor

992
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,860
wherever the balls come from whatever

993
00:44:17,369 --> 00:44:22,469
speed they come in at whatever angle if

994
00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:24,360
they're in that bowl they'll end up at

995
00:44:22,469 --> 00:44:26,129
the bottom so you can model it by saying

996
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,410
they're pulled towards this attractor

997
00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:30,680
the other way of doing the mathematics

998
00:44:28,409 --> 00:44:32,969
is measuring the pushing force and

999
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:35,129
measuring for each ball the exact

1000
00:44:32,969 --> 00:44:36,899
details is but it's simpler to say let's

1001
00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:38,880
it doesn't matter about those details

1002
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:40,860
they'll be pulled towards an attractor

1003
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,880
which is the end towards which they're

1004
00:44:40,860 --> 00:44:48,210
moving now mathematical models of Morpho

1005
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:51,570
genetic fields are based on the tractors

1006
00:44:48,210 --> 00:44:55,590
a system is pulled towards an end or a

1007
00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:58,170
goal so if you germinate a plant seed

1008
00:44:55,590 --> 00:45:00,360
and oak seed then Elk seedling is

1009
00:44:58,170 --> 00:45:02,340
attracted towards the mature form of the

1010
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,950
oak tree if you cut bits off the

1011
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:07,860
seedling then it will grow new shoots so

1012
00:45:04,949 --> 00:45:10,409
it can get back to being an oak tree so

1013
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:13,019
it's as if the final form of the mature

1014
00:45:10,409 --> 00:45:16,889
form attracts it the same is true of

1015
00:45:13,019 --> 00:45:20,489
animal embryos they're attracted towards

1016
00:45:16,889 --> 00:45:22,319
the final form of the organism and even

1017
00:45:20,489 --> 00:45:24,779
after damage to the embryo they can

1018
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,760
often develop into normal organisms it's

1019
00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:29,780
always and yet there seems to be an

1020
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:34,170
interaction between conscious minds of

1021
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:37,160
humans and the morphic fields or let's

1022
00:45:34,170 --> 00:45:39,389
say the conscious mind of a ret and

1023
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:43,230
trying to find its way out of the

1024
00:45:39,389 --> 00:45:45,629
labyrinth and anther morphic field which

1025
00:45:43,230 --> 00:45:47,760
then causes the other members of the

1026
00:45:45,630 --> 00:45:51,539
same breed to find its way out of the

1027
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,640
labyrinth quicker then well morphic

1028
00:45:51,539 --> 00:45:55,769
fields are goal directed and they

1029
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:58,529
organize system's towards ends or goals

1030
00:45:55,769 --> 00:46:00,780
but these don't have to be conscious you

1031
00:45:58,530 --> 00:46:02,670
see the gravitational attraction that

1032
00:46:00,780 --> 00:46:04,470
pulls balls to the bottom of bowl

1033
00:46:02,670 --> 00:46:07,829
doesn't have to be a conscious how do

1034
00:46:04,469 --> 00:46:09,599
you vote well it may be conscious it may

1035
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:11,369
not and the reason I think they don't

1036
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,710
have to be is that most of our own

1037
00:46:11,369 --> 00:46:15,289
habits

1038
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:19,309
are not conscious they have ends or

1039
00:46:15,289 --> 00:46:23,659
goals and those may or may not become

1040
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:27,170
conscious but most of our physiological

1041
00:46:23,659 --> 00:46:29,569
activity is purposive - you and I are

1042
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:32,840
breathing now we're not aware of it it

1043
00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:35,120
happens unconsciously if we stop

1044
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,160
breathing if we're held underwater we've

1045
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:39,380
come very aware of the fact that we need

1046
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:41,659
to breathe and we start struggling to

1047
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:44,090
get into the air because we become

1048
00:46:41,659 --> 00:46:46,579
conscious of the goal of breathing of

1049
00:46:44,090 --> 00:46:48,860
taking the next breath normally it's

1050
00:46:46,579 --> 00:46:52,099
unconscious so the reason I think that

1051
00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:54,079
most habits most attracters most girls

1052
00:46:52,099 --> 00:46:56,779
are unconscious because we know that

1053
00:46:54,079 --> 00:47:00,190
from our own experience that most of our

1054
00:46:56,780 --> 00:47:03,140
own goals are unconscious and very often

1055
00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:05,389
people's behavior is motivated by

1056
00:47:03,139 --> 00:47:07,519
unconscious goals I mean people have

1057
00:47:05,389 --> 00:47:10,250
habits of behavior that they usually not

1058
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:13,219
aware of and in personal relationships

1059
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:15,019
it's often very annoying for members of

1060
00:47:13,219 --> 00:47:16,579
their family or girlfriends or

1061
00:47:15,019 --> 00:47:20,719
boyfriends to find people have

1062
00:47:16,579 --> 00:47:23,239
unconscious habits and in relationships

1063
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,809
people delight in pointing out the

1064
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:29,209
habits that we're not ourselves aware of

1065
00:47:25,809 --> 00:47:32,480
so we all of us are creatures of habit

1066
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:34,280
and so again I don't think we need to

1067
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,929
assume that the rest of nature is more

1068
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,050
conscious than we are we're conscious

1069
00:47:35,929 --> 00:47:41,269
part of the time and consciousness has a

1070
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:43,250
role to play it its main role is to

1071
00:47:41,269 --> 00:47:45,650
choose between possible courses of

1072
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:47,510
action but most of the things which a

1073
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:50,059
habitual function completely

1074
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:53,630
unconsciously even though their goal

1075
00:47:50,059 --> 00:47:56,719
directed and purposive how do you think

1076
00:47:53,630 --> 00:48:02,030
society would change if they would take

1077
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:05,209
into account your research results well

1078
00:48:02,030 --> 00:48:07,100
I think that the the split we have at

1079
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:09,110
the moment will be caused by the

1080
00:48:07,099 --> 00:48:12,049
materialist and mechanistic worldviews

1081
00:48:09,110 --> 00:48:14,269
in extremely unhealthy one it tells us

1082
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:17,090
that our minds are nothing but the

1083
00:48:14,269 --> 00:48:21,280
activity of our brains and that we have

1084
00:48:17,090 --> 00:48:24,019
no real free choice now that's an absurd

1085
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,480
hypothesis I mean even materialists

1086
00:48:24,019 --> 00:48:29,570
think that they have freely chosen to

1087
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,400
adopt the materialist philosophy they

1088
00:48:29,570 --> 00:48:34,730
don't say I'm a materialist because my

1089
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:36,440
brain makes me believe this and they say

1090
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:40,730
I'm a materialist because I believe in

1091
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:42,800
science reason and evidence but the very

1092
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:44,659
act of choosing to be a materialist on

1093
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,470
basis of size and science reason and

1094
00:48:44,659 --> 00:48:50,599
evidence itself refutes materialism

1095
00:48:47,469 --> 00:48:52,639
so it's an absurd and self contradictory

1096
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:54,799
philosophy that even its most dedicated

1097
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:59,619
believers don't really believe at least

1098
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:02,840
when they're outside the seminar room so

1099
00:48:59,619 --> 00:49:06,009
it creates a terrible split between mind

1100
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:08,450
and body it creates completely

1101
00:49:06,010 --> 00:49:11,150
disastrous split when it comes to

1102
00:49:08,449 --> 00:49:13,399
medicine and healing because the idea is

1103
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:16,519
I'm my mind my mind is just the activity

1104
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,230
my brain my body is just a machine if

1105
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:20,570
it's if there's something wrong with it

1106
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:24,699
I go to a doctor and get it fixed with

1107
00:49:20,570 --> 00:49:27,380
drugs or surgery but we know that

1108
00:49:24,699 --> 00:49:29,509
people's minds play a huge part in

1109
00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:31,160
healing even Orthodox medicine has to

1110
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:34,280
acknowledge this through through the

1111
00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:36,469
placebo effect the placebo effect used

1112
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,840
to be regarded as a mere nuisance for

1113
00:49:36,469 --> 00:49:40,309
drug trials because people who think

1114
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,829
they're getting a powerful new drug

1115
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:45,230
often get better even though they're

1116
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:48,019
only getting a blank pill this is now

1117
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:50,690
universally accepted and what it shows

1118
00:49:48,019 --> 00:49:52,849
is the power of belief what we believe

1119
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:56,360
in what we expect affects what actually

1120
00:49:52,849 --> 00:49:58,339
happens in our own bodies and it might

1121
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:02,150
not only affect what happens inside our

1122
00:49:58,340 --> 00:50:05,780
bodies but since it has a repercussions

1123
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:08,150
on the morphic field it also it also

1124
00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:09,650
changed I mean it also has an effect on

1125
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:11,180
other people while also connected to

1126
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:13,039
that right oh yes

1127
00:50:11,179 --> 00:50:14,869
I mean our intentions and our thoughts

1128
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:17,539
can affect other people as well as our

1129
00:50:14,869 --> 00:50:19,369
own bodies I mean telepathy is one

1130
00:50:17,539 --> 00:50:21,559
measure of that but of course everybody

1131
00:50:19,369 --> 00:50:23,480
agrees that our thoughts and intentions

1132
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:26,329
affect others if I walk into a room

1133
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,159
feeling extremely hostile and angry it

1134
00:50:26,329 --> 00:50:30,769
changes the atmosphere of the whole room

1135
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:33,349
and body language alone can communicate

1136
00:50:30,769 --> 00:50:34,940
that so we already know that we affect

1137
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:37,069
others through our attitudes and

1138
00:50:34,940 --> 00:50:38,579
thoughts even through conventional means

1139
00:50:37,070 --> 00:50:43,320
but also through

1140
00:50:38,579 --> 00:50:45,420
I think telepathic and other means thank

1141
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,039
you very much dr. Sheldrake for this

1142
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:50,900
interview and good luck with your

1143
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:50,900
upcoming work thank you